speer grand slam vs nosler partition

Its a simple design, with few revisions from the late-19th-century jacketed bullets. The Partition and the Accubond are designed to retain 60% of their weight during penetration and they do exactly that. The 168-grain, .308-inch-diameter, boat-tail, hollow-point MatchKing, especially when loaded in the .308 Winchester, remains a major player. (Fusion This category includes such creatures as North American bison, water buffalo, Cape buffalo, hippo, rhino and elephant. MagTip's for my .416 Rigby but haven't used it on game yet. For deer ive had stellar results with the sierra gameking and nosler ballistic tip. The Nosler Partition, Hornady InterLock and Remington Core-Lokt are Been up and down the powder scale with both IMR4831 and H4350. Have always worked great. subject. $54.49. not listed below. fwiw.I used the current 375 GS on a recent plains game hunt in RSA. Grand Slam is about twice the price of Deep Curl, which is very economical for a bonded core bullet. You are far better of with that because you can put additional 20-30 shots into paper targets. Its not getting a lot of attention these days, but theres no denying the great performance of the Speer Grand Slam. I have experience with all three iterations. 150 Grand Slam 145 ELD-X 140 A-Frame 140 Partition 140 TSX 140 Accubond 130 Partition 130 TTSX 130 A-Frame All the above bullets will do what you need them to do without any drama. Trust me, the animal won't be able to tell the difference. What are your experiences, good or bad, with the Nosler Partition or the Speer Grand Slam bullets on big game? His concept of using a partition of jacket material between two lead cores (the front core would mushroom, and the rear core would drive deeply into the vitals) remains a staple to this day. Tough expanding bullets, such as the Woodleigh Weldcore, are usually recommended for heart/lung shots. To better avoid jacket/core separation, the Boat Tail's I have tried to load partitions in several calibers and find accuracy below 1.5" is a struggle. Mostly because I have a slew of 285 grain GS in .375 and it seems like everyone has their own opinion of how they perform with all manner of caveats. driven directly into the heart/lung area of game like red stag and elk, but may In fact, I'm not sure that they've ever had their heart fully into any sort of premium hunting bullet program, even now with their acquired 'Trophy Bonded' lineup, which seems to be very poorly and unenthusiastically promoted. identical to the process that creates the bullets used in Fusion factory loads. 4. Ive used the 160gr GS in my 7mm ..took my moose in2011 ..knocked him off his feet great bullet at a very resonable price. calibers and bullet weights, it is suitable for all CXP2 and CXP3 game. Sierra GameKing and ProHunter. The Nosler Partition is unique in that it has a partition between the lead core and the copper jacket. values, it gives a useable trajectory and retains plenty of energy out to sane distances. process eliminates the problems associated with air pockets in the lead core I have used the Speer Grand Slam for hunting, but only used . I went back to my Nosler Partitions, but I think the grand slams are decent bullets. Speer offers four lines of big game hunting bullets in a variety of styles and weights for almost all calibers, and they are priced right. Grand Slam is a good choice for CXP3 game in appropriate It uses a flat base and what Speer used to call a "mag-tip," competes in the marketplace with the Sierra Pro Hunter, Remington Core-Lokt, 165 - 168 Grain. My go to load now is a 140 AccuBond with IMR-4831. .277 150gr grand slams hammered an elk for my wife last year and shoot very very well. I agree with some of the above posts that the a frame is a superior bullet in general. I cannot find a definitive answer to whether or not Speer makes a bonded bullet. (2002-2003 I'd guess). FLAT SHIPPING! 28 Nosler 175gr AccuBond Long Range Trophy Grade Ammunition View Details. As has been said Speer only makes 140 gr in .264 in the Grand Slam but does make 120 gr in the Gold Dot which is a GREAT bullet. Bill Steigers (BBC) tested a bunch of 375 bullets, including the 285 gr Speer GS in the mid 1980s. New Member, I have enjoyed all the posts from the site and hope to learn more about hunting in Africa. The A frame is a partition bullet. The more I think about it, I'd probably opt for the Hornady 270 next time for plains gameperhaps short of eland. Both will work, the partition is a way better bullet. I bought a couple boxes of .358 250 gr SP bullets direct from Speer last fall and had them in a week. I much prefered the Grand Slams to Partitions, until the bean counters at Speer wrecked them -- Speer is basically calling a totally different bullet the "Grand Slam" and defrauding the shooting public. Never recovered a bullet, all full penetration with decent sized exit, from 50 yds to 400. SPEER Grand Slam Premium Big Game Rifle Bullets, Apostolic Exhortation On The Family, Pope John Paul II. This bullet competes with the Sierra Case length for the .280 is 2.540 inches (same as the .270) and a bit longer than the .30-06 (2.494 inches). Hornaday InterLock starting at $30 Optics Planet. After talking to a few folks bout' who uses what bullet in there 7 mag for elk, the 160 nosler partition in federal factory load and 175 gr. line by marketing Federal's Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullets under the Speer I switched to Grand Slams which had a flatter tip and never looked back. I quit using Nosler partitions years ago as the tips would get bent in the magazine of my 338 Win Mag just from the recoil of the rifle. His bullets were a favorite of Jack OConnor; and his HotCor process, which used molten lead poured into preformed jacketswas certainly revolutionary. Hot-Cor Will Use GS for him when he runs out of TBBC 's Have never had to worry about the bullet when using Grand Slams. Jul 24, 2010 #1 Views please . accuracy. preferred bullet and load for your rifle, stick with it. I just don't see a good reason to go with Grand Slams for any sort of hunting use these days. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. medicine and will out perform more expensive premium bullets. together. bullets, started making bullets during World War II using spent .22 rimfire It was created by John Nosler in 1949. Shooting dry news print is a pretty hard test IME. I don't know about the 145 gr. I like the Speer 145 gr size for all of the 7's for deer. flagship bullet. The Mag Tip is the SAME jacket as the Grand Slam, but has a one piece Hot Core poured in it. Speer Grand Slam Hornady Interbond I'm not one of you, Skippy. Here's the advertising blurb from their web page: sounds like they dropped the 416 & 458. correct me on this: weren't there two GS (the "African" which included solids and the "regular" in smaller calibers)? . lion, grizzly bear, brown bear and polar bear. A 225 grain .338 bullet is probably going to be optimized for use on CXP3 game, such as elk and grizzly bear. out back in 1979. The Winchester Power Point, Sierra and the price is great. I have never heard of any problems Learn how your comment data is processed. for Class 4 bison in .416 Rigby. He wrote up his findings, which I have around here (somewhere). Lewiston manufactures our products in a small city in Idaho, and we have an unrivaled reputation for quality. The result is less expansion, higher retained weight and deeper Three shots around 0.8 @ 200 yds. Weight retention, however, is even higher than the Grand Slam, typically about 85% in ballistic gelatin at impact velocities less than 3000 fps. for a wide variety of game animals. It was the first component bullet I ever loaded and hunted with. Nor am I one of them. Expansion is usually twice the original caliber; penetration is adequate; and the Core-Lokt is responsible for a huge amount of game over its career. The bullets are also designed to offer excellent accuracy and consistency. From left: Nosler 180-gr. metal jacket cup at 900-degrees F via the Hot-Cor process. The Nosler Partition expands as quickly as any hunting bullet. Grand Slam has a crimping cannelure, which also helps to hold jacket and core was the GS made differently in the smaller calibers. JavaScript is disabled. The velocity and sd are what kill with the 270. The Grand Slam is a Cup-n-Core with a three-part Lead alloy in the same tapered/fluted jacket as the SPEER Hot Core process. What are your experiences, good or bad, with the Nosler Partition or the Speer Grand Slam bullets on big game? Back off of powder charge when getting closer to the rifling. Funny thing is, I still used 160 Partitions on that hunt. Lewiston, Idaho. in factory loads and to reloaders. A proper big-deer handload consists of 120 Partitions at 3,078 fps with 54 grains of H4831. Partition, Hornady SP-RP InterLock and Remington Core-Lokt Ultra Bonded are all considered good choices. 3) One unopened box of Speer 175 grain Grand Slam 7mm bullets - $35 shipped to conusa. . Sub-minute groups all the way out to 300 meters. I bought 6 of the transparent yellow boxes (grand slams) to work a load for that hunt. Dec 20, 2009. These are spitzer and semi-spitzer style flat base bullets. rest like a Lead Sled to eliminate as much shooter error as possible and the Get 3100fps and your damn near unbeatable are reasonable ranges. I quit using Nosler partitions years ago as the tips would get bent in the magazine of my 338 Win Mag just from the recoil of the rifle. They are almost the same design, but the Swifts are bonded to the jackey, where the Noslers are not. that's really my big gripe. For example, bonded core bullets are "in" as I write these words. New ones are just to hard and don't kill as well also no matter what I tried they won't shoot better than 2 Moa. The fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide shows that 59.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive one of their 130 grain bullets to a MV of 3051 fps, and 63.0 grains of the same powder will give a 130 grain bullet a MV of 3294 fps. Now I use them and A frames exclusively in hunting loads from 95 gr 243's to 286gr 9.3 x 62's. If you are using a Hot-Cor bullet in a caliber and weight suitable for the game you are hunting, you probably don't need a Deep Curl or Grand Slam. Mine looks like 4.4 on my non digital calipers. Joel SlateSlate & Associates, LLCThe Safari Specialistswww.slatesafaris.com, ray@atkinsonhunting.com atkinsonhunting.com. World's most popular community & resource for hunting in Africa since 2007. That bulletthe #1400 .224-inch-diameter, 53-grain, flat-base, match hollow-pointjust happens to be the bullet my own .22-250 Remington likes best. I started off many many years ago with the Nosler partition, had great kills, extremely reliable, but not the most accurate from my rifle. If you want one all around bullet accubond for the better bc or partition if your a traditionalist. My only concern with the grand slam would be it's low bc, no concerns at all about performance on game. So many better bullets out there now though and now I dont really factor cost of a box of bullets into my decision. Partitions all the way. Unfortunately Federal Premium bought that bullet from Speer and . Boat Tail In response to the criticism, Speer has announced that it will be discontinuing the production of the grand slam bullet. There are some classic designsthose our grandfathers usedthat are still viable choices and that remain highly useful and affordable options for the hunter and shooter. also improved accuracy. of the same caliber and weight to facilitate expansion. Tipsy Tuesday: Elk Film, Gear, News, & More. With more than five decades of service, Speer Gold Dot is still the most dependable hollowpoint for law enforcement. The weather is not good on small deer, but it is good on hogs, mulies, and Minnesota white-tail deer. Nevertheless, throughout the industry, the Sierra MatchKing still represents the benchmark by which all other match bullets are measured. The grand slam bullet is expensive for the technology. However, many shooters find that the Speer Grand Slam is an accurate and reliable bullet, making it a popular choice for both hunting and target shooting. that devour crops and even gardens. It shoots the 154 gr Hornady Interlocks the best so far. The Speer web site shows that the current crop of Grand Slams are designed with a very thin jacket up front that thickens progresively the further down the bullet and becomes several times thicker than average solid copper base underneath the lead/antimony/whatever the third metal is expansion chamber and a much sharper ogive angle but still . no game yet. Might I be confusing the AGS and the GS ? and the lubrication used to insert the core in the jacket. There is no definitive answer to this question as it depends on individual preferences and opinions. This simplification Mostly 120 grain Nosler Partition but two rifles love those Speer's and one the 120 Sierra's. Good luck. Glorifying excellence is inherently a rebellious act against mediocrity. Their "heavy game bullets" are now all Trophy Bonded. I had good luck with the old Grand Slams, before they were cheapened, I mean, redesigned. However, they do make a variety of other types of bullets, so it is possible that they offer a bonded option as well. Im confident that they will perform well at 358 velocities. My experience with the Grand Slam bullets has been with 120 gr in 25-06, 145 gr in 7mm Rem. 6.5 Creedmoor 142gr AccuBond Long Range Trophy Grade Ammunition View Details. My son uses 180 Gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claws(no longer available) in a 300 RUM on elk .In last five years all were one shot kills from 50 yds to 350+ yds. Speer has the 285 grain .375 Grand Slams for $14.99 per box of 50 with free shipping on $99 purchase. The bullet, as opposed to any other type of bullet, does not bond. Last year he got a bull moose one shot and it was done. Does Proto make bonded bullets? They are best hunted with frangible bullets And, as I proved with that Scottish stag (in addition to a couple of good whitetails and a Texas boar that fell to a 140-grain InterLock from a Rigby in .275 Rigby), its enough bullet. Nosler was carrying a .300 Holland & Holland Magnuma classic cartridge with a hefty muzzle velocity, especially for 1946when he experienced bullet failure on a moose hunt in British Columbia. Yet, just as it is with our cartridge choices, the modern developments dont always render the older designs obsolete. I've been very successful with Accubonds, but these 145 gr Hot-Cors are giving me groups of 5 at <1" and there is just something cool about using them versus the ever popular (for good reason) Accubond. One bullet that was great but is not offered anymore is the 140 gr Speer Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. That being said, I have used the old style dual core GS on black bear several times with great results. 100g HORNADY INTERLOCK V 100g SPEER GRAND SLAM (243) Thread starter mick b; Start date Jul 24, 2010; mick b Well-Known Member. the a-frame being a bonded bullet in addition to partitioned. Just after World War II . Vernon Speer was a pioneer in the component bullet industry. This fall I'm going on a hunting trip where I'll primarirly be deer hunting, but I will also be allowed to take an elk if the opportunity arises.Normally I use Ballistic tips or Sierra GK's for deer, but I want something a little stouter in case an elk happens to show itself.But I want a bullet that expands easily on deer as well.I've used Partitions on deer with great results, but I'm thinking of trying the Grand Slams out.I've tried them in different test media, and it seems to me that they might expand a little faster than Partitions do, maybe due to the skiving or fluting Speer uses.Am I correct, or is this just pure speculation on my part.I know the Partition would work perfectly, but I don't hear very much about the GS.Any thoughts?Thanks. are they currently being marketed as a premium bullet? Back to partitions for me. I've had midway do that on a few products over the years that were back-ordered that eventually came back into stock. With its tapered, precision-drawn jacket and long nose, the rifle is designed to penetrate deeply and precisely, making it ideal for hunting anywhere in the world, regardless of the weather conditions. That was over 30 years ago so whatever their production is now is likely to have significantly different results. Ive used the Grand Slam, in lighter bullet weights, as a deer bullet with nothing but good results. actually looking back, I think I have got better performance from std 145 gn speers out of a 280 rem. Will be interesting to see if Vista and the other companies will worry about doing any promos this year. There are internal heel folds near the base to mechanically lock the The Grand Slams worked well for me from the early '80s when I started using them until Speer changed the design, at which point I switched to North Fork bullets. Yeah, I read Speer's justification for the change. The extra weight and sharpness also make them more likely to expand, which can cause more damage to a target. One was straight on the shoulder, breaking the joint and lodging in the off side shoulder. I received an email from Midway saying that the Speer .257 120gr Grand Slam was discontinued. I only used Reloader 22, so I can't say I"ve tried lots of different powders, but I could only get 2" accuracy. It has the perfect combination of penetration, yet opens easily and creates large wound channels. My 7-08 R25 actaully shoots the 150-160 gr bullets better with 4831 than the 4350. bullets are already offered in .35 Whelen and .45-70 factory loads.) The Partition is available from Nosler as "Blemished" for a lower price than the "good ones". Caliber and bullet weight figures into the design of all hunting bullets. what was the cut-off date of mfg? With the old stag, which had been rolling in the peat while tending his hinds, facing head on at 245 yards, I leaned the forend of the graceful Rigby Highland Stalker on Hepburns pack, let my breath halfway out, gave the stag 6 inches of elevation and squeezed the trigger. name to reloaders. Yes, there are other match bullets certainly worthy of attentionthe Hornady A-TIP, ELD Match and the Berger lineup come quickly to mindbut I feel pretty confident that the Sierra MatchKing will be around for at least as long as I will. The rapid expansion of the Boat Tail delivers quick kills on medium size animals, such as pronghorn antelope and whitetail deer. I was reading recently that a lot of factory capacity has gone away from the slightly less common calibres and been given over to common stuff. They worked fine when I did my part. Speer claims the Hot-Cor factory loaded ammunition, as well as to reloaders by their manufacturer. In fact almost all expanding bullets open so quickly that for all intents and purposes they're fully "mushroomed" by the time the rear of the the bullet disappears into the skin of the animal. I suppose I'll just have to buckle down and shoot some pork this summer. Now I am loading the current .277/150 gr. I much prefered the Grand Slams to Partitions, until the bean counters at Speer wrecked them -- Speer is basically calling a totally different bullet the "Grand Slam" and defrauding the shooting public. (.338-.375 caliber) and heavy bullets of high sectional density are preferred. A interlock and partition are not trying to do the same thing. tail bullets of conventional construction (not bonded core) in the marketplace. Winchester brass, CCI 200 primers. I think they're a wonderful bullet if you can hit what you're aiming at. to Accubonds(went to 160's), similarly in my 25.06(went to 110's), because of the lead nose. on Class 2 animals and "soft" bullets intended for medium size game are this issue is not that the bullet is worthless, the issue is that it is no longer a "premium" bullet like it once was. this bullet a higher ballistic coefficient (BC) than a flat base bullet, making If youre hunting bears on a budget with your .308 or .30-06, 165- or 180-grain Grand Slam engenders all sorts of confidence. I for the life of me can't figure out why anyone ever picked grand slams today over any of the other premium bullets. I'm not sure that Speer has ever had their 'Grand Slam' program quite fully together. If they're the old style, I would be more sparing in their use. Bruce, I've been waiting nearly twenty years for this thread. Mar 12, 2023. I've read on multiple sites the 200gr Nosler Partition is the best for . they apparently used to be such but I think it is quite misleading to market them the same (and use tyhe same name) as the old GS knowing that they've made signifigant changes "downward". The 4th one strings out about an inch, but I hope I never need that one! weight retention and deeper penetration. I've loaded the 350 grs. Performance on game has always been good, but there are so many other good choices these days, that I haven't used a Partition in several years. One of the best reloading investments I've ever made was a Stoney point OAL tool and comparator kit. I plan on using the AB for most of my hunting this fall. It seems like speer has been reducing their lines without coming out with anything new for awhile. I have some of the old 285 gr 375s. It was a valid question, because the pouring rain had stopped, the wind had died down, and those little, black demons had risen from the heather. The Deadliest Mushroom in the Woods has been Remingtons siren call since 1939. Save Share. I'll repeat the water-filled gallon jugs test with some and see how they perform. I have literally shot hundreds of these into my test media, not even one failure. Sierra MatchKing starting at $16 Sportsman's Warehouse. Unless angles were straight on or straight away bullets very seldom found. At $.30 per bullet they are priced about the same as the Speer 235 gr, so not much risk. RUGER: I just would not even bother to make a switch; I've lost count of the deer and elk I've shot or seen shot with Partitions, and switching to the Grand Slam would be, in my humble opinion, of no advantage whatsoever. Speer is known for discontinuing bullets and they always seem to drop the ones i use. The grand slam bullet is expensive for the technology. I have the CD set (JB's publisher is a very persuasive guy. I found the perfectly mushroomed back to the harder core lead bullet under the hide on the back side of his right ham. Now it has one. elk. The happiest days of my life were spent with Noslers (mostly Partitions) in my hunting rifle! Pro-Hunter and Speer Hot-Cor are classic soft point bullets. You have entered an incorrect email address! The first animal I ever put down with a Speer Grand Slam was a mule deer that I shot straight through the lungs with a 150 gr. Frangible varmint bullets should never be 150 - 155 Grain. Those things PENETRATE. Naturally, any bullet must be in a caliber and weight Bristol. That is one of the virtues of the .375 H&H, good performance (especially on plains game) with heavier bullets of about any decent construction. bullets due to military demand. My 280 was so so with 150-160 gr bullets. It also had a heal crimp that held the core in place. Standing over a double-crowned, 11-point stag in such an idyllic settingand with such a prestigious riflewas assuredly a highlight of my career. They are made with a thicker jacket and a heavier core than traditional bullets, and they have a sharp nose that helps them penetrate deep into targets. After your rifle/scope The Grand Slam is a Cup-n-Core with a three-part Lead alloy in the same tapered/fluted jacket as the SPEER Hot Core process. where varmints are often hunted. bullet that spews fragments in the middle of the chest and stops under the skin . just sticking to nosler partitions for smaller game and barnesx for bigger at those speeds. On Mule Deer I use the Nosler 165 BT Ballistic Tip with the same load I use for the Barns and they are right there EVERY TIME. I recall the GS placed in the middle of the pack. than the other Speer bullets. I was gonna say that MD, is that a "local" problem or part of the ATK master plan ?? Grand Slam was designed to compete with the other deep penetration premium pre-formed lead core used by most bullet makers. Using the 165gr in a .30/06, I took a couple of whitetail and a boar (hog) with it. Back then I was buying powder by the pound can, primers by the 100 box and bullets a box at a time. While it might not have eye-popping B.C. it more suitable for long range use. Back then I was buying powder by the pound can, primers by the 100 box and bullets a box at a time. results should tell you what bullet your rifle prefers. 210 Grain. Strange, I saw a similar message about the 220 HotCor for .358. Vernon Speer was a pioneer in the component bullet industry. Back then, I didnt keep or check weight retention in recovered bullets, but they seemed to hold together well. Vernon Speer is really one of the unsung heroes of our current handloading nirvana, for sure. I hoping it just means that Midway is just not going to stock them. The bulls shoulder was caked in dried clay and, combined with its tough shoulder bones, it proved to be too much for the cup-and-core bullets Nosler was using. Expansion must be subordinated to penetration in such bullets. on the far side has delivered what I consider ideal performance for achieving I do know I got my Arkansas elk permit in 2001. Funny thing is, I still used 160 Partitions on that hunt. Testing the question if the 70GR Nosler Varmageddons are expanding properly after many reported "Pass through" kills. The Nosler Partition is a fantastic bullet; and, although its virtually unchanged from the original 1948 design, it still gives high weight retention, wide expansion and deep penetration from nearly any angle, just as John desired. Were undeniably living in the golden age of projectile design, with more choices available to us than weve ever had. Penetration, expansion and a quick, humane kill are characteristic of the InterLock. The Accubond was the end product of Nosler trying to get a bullet as accurate as their to be as reliable/tough as their Partitions. . But, in 1975, the company that still bears his name released what I consider to be the finest design of Speers lineup: the Speer Grand Slam. 156. I just haven't bumped into or tracked one down yet. Winchester Power Point, Hornady InterLock and similar bullets in terms of both classic examples of proven, all-around bullets. 1. Editor's Note: This article originally appeared in the July 2020 issue of Gun Digest the Magazine. ", Now that I'm home I got a chance to dig aroud in my reloading cabinets. look foreward to hearing the results of your search. You are far better of with conventional soft points - Sierra SP Flat Base (Pro Hunter) 165 gr. I have them all, their just scattered in a multitude of places, as I rotate for 'new' reading material. I then measured the Overall Length, and things cleared up a little. The If all else fails I have a bunch of 375 H&H brass that I need to fireform to 375 Wby so they'd work to combine load development with brass preparation. I plan on using the AB for most of my hunting this fall. 200 Grain. Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. Then go with the acceptable charge and try shrinking the OAL a little(.05"-.015") to see if it improves accuracy. When using these bullets in a magnum cartridge, I do prefer a healthy amount of bullet weight to prevent premature breakup, but Ill certainly attest to dozens of whitetails that fell to a 165-grain Hornady InterLock from my .308 Winchester. I guess the partition is my go to bullet, doesn't mean I wouldn't try another. GS in .358 for my .35 Whelen. apparently figured this out, returning the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw to the The 145 gr Speer Grand Slam by comparison produced its maximum cavitation at a shallower depth and caused a narrower hole at its terminus. past, perhaps this could be considered the most basic in a series on the Dress Shoe Tennis Shoe Combo The Perfect Shoe For Those Who Want The Best Of Both Worlds! If a bullet is not listed here, follow the manufacturer's Try finding them cheaper on nosler sps. If you are interested in purchasing a bonded bullet from Speer, it is best to contact them directly to inquire about availability and pricing. I would be very interested in your experiences. The Nosler Sierra continues to expand the MatchKing line, with some excellent offerings in 6mm, 6.5mm and 7mm in the traditional hollow-point configurationnot to mention the recent Tipped MatchKing line, which utilizes a green polymer tip to maintain consistent B.C. why package the (essentially) same bullet in two packages? I emailed Speer but received no reply. I like the Grand Slam as a black bear bullet at closer ranges (say, inside 250 yards), because its strong enough to break bones yet soft enough to expand reliably on lung shots. Some of them may appear on both the Class 2 and Re: Nosler Partition or Speer Grand Slam Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. experienced hunters around the world. It's hard to be sure exactly, with bullet tips flattening, but each brand appeared to stay close to others in the same box. The Grand Slams always stopped under the hide on the far side of the animal, held 75-80% of their weight, mushroomed perfectly and smashed every bone they encountered. 308 Winchester 110gr FB Tipped Varmgeddon Ammunition View Details. I've shot a least 20 animals with it in Africa, and never a problem. The Grand Slams are still my favourite bullet for Moose and Elk. The partition is one of the best dual core bullets ever designed. Both are versatile, all-around bullets suitable for mixed bag hunts. expansion than Speer's premium Grand Slam, with consequently less penetration. You don't need my opinion to know they are good bullets. Another consideration is finding a bullet and load that your I'm thinking about using some 145 grainers in my 7-08 this fall. . Having posed the question on the various US forums the "best" seems to be either the Nosler Partition in 100 grains (personally I have my doubts because . 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